Plugin Forum

[Centauri Soldier]

Yes, why it this such an issue? IR can still have their Plugin forum the way they want it. All that the devs here are asking for is a place to post our works-in-progress and get some feedback. I am, quite frankly, stunned that this is even something that the IR staff has to debate. To me, the need for such a forum in a development environment, is basic common sense.

Why a development company would want to choke its primary source of plugins for their most popular product is beyond me. We've already had one of our long-standing, valuable, plugin devs leave over this and more will soon follow if we are ignored for much longer.

[DaSoulRed]

Yeah... i Agree... and by the way... thes method... get the feedback away...

Bring it On... make the change just the way it wose... people is talking about it, for real...

After all we are AMS forum Users, rigth...

[Imagine Programming]

i dont want a new system, just a open beta area....its not much to ask...is it ?

Amen. Hmm yeah, some more characters because it's too short and all....

[RizlaUK]

i dont want a new system, just a open beta area....its not much to ask...is it ?

[Tone]

There's a lot been said on the subject, and said very politely. We all love AMS and we all want what's best - that's a fact.
It's been a good discussion and i feel we've all learned a little bit more about each other, which will naturally go towards making things better and hopefully include the changes i too feel are needed.
If we look back at the posts we can see that in actual fact the concerns aren't really to do with any points being disagreed with, it's more to do with accepting what has been said as being the problem, and now applying the solution of coming up with a new system.
I really appreciate this discussion and i really value ya's all.
Very very much.

[Imagine Programming]

Later riz... I'm getting the feeling slowly all the devvers are leaving here. Dam.n...

[RizlaUK]

i do this for fun, because i enjoy it, i like making plugins, i dont want or need any income from plugin sales, i have a good job and a low rent, i live well

but also, i have a very limited timeframe, 2/3 hours in the evening is all i have, i leave the house at 6am most mornings and get home around 4:30, i spend a few hours with my children and they go to bet at 8, from 8 till 10/11 is all i have to work on plugins/websites/projects

i was going to make a new PHP site, but WTF should i, 2 weeks and im starting to get very frustrated .... its not fun anymore.....why am i still doing it i ask myself

I sincerely hope we can reach a resolution as opposed to the dev community throwing up their and hands and walking away.

HaHa, lol, really,

I'm wrapped up in a few more pressing projects at the moment, but will come back to this when time allows.

when Des finds time to address the problem, someone send me an email, till then, i'll be at youtube!

[Centauri Soldier]

Although I haven't reached that point of frustration yet, Riz, I'm quickly headed that way. Which is why, before I reached that point, I thought I would attempt to do something constructive and let IR know, in a civilized manner, how frustrated most of the devs are with this new system. And if the IR staff sees fit to ignore us, although I will not leave my plugins to my hard drive, I will discontinue posting about them on the IR forums and simply leave update notification solely on my website. I sincerely hope we can reach a resolution as opposed to the dev community throwing up their and hands and walking away.

[RizlaUK]

it seems only the people that actually develop plugins see a problem with the system ....... its all about the user at this point...........

well, keep the system, don't change Nada, don't give us a beta board, i don't care anymore, just don't expect to see any releases from this direction, im done on the subject, my plugins will stay on my HDD, period!

[Imagine Programming]

Releasing the source code, for me, has nothing to do with money. I don't charge for any of my plugins...as a matter of fact, I don't even have a donate button on my webpage. Money, for many of us, is not the issue. And you may be right about running into problems with plugin updates with version 9, but that's all the more reason to have a plugin discussion board. We can share knowledge there and work together.

I don't want to release any sources really, because duplicate plugins will arrive then But yes, money is not an issue, and also version 9 might also be SDK2, who knows? Or at least SDK2 compatible..

Josh, another thing, no new plugs for AMS7 are coming because developing for AMS8 also costs time.

And, I do respect your opinion, so don't think that you can't have one... Even though people dissagree, opinions are important. it doesn't matter
who gives one.

[Imagine Programming]

Neither of my AMS8 plugs are now lua based. Also, I'm just saying I would like this system, if the pluginforum would be open.
Also, who said that AMS9 will have a different SDK ? Who said that it will not support AMS8 plugins.
You've gotta understand, that the reason why AMS7 plugins don't work in AMS8, is because they are lua5.0 based. (The ones written
in C or PB).

So yeah I understand that people dislike this system, but I'm not that negative about it... the AMS dir could work find... I'd just love it if the
plugin forum would be open for replies again...

[Centauri Soldier]

I believe that you're attempting to box Bas's reply with the intention of this thread which is a pointless effort since I'm the one who posted the poll.

2nd point taken -- got the msg -- don't provide an opinion unless it agrees with others.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean that they do not value your opinion, Josh. no one has said they don't want to hear your opinion. If we all already agreed then there would be no need for this thread. Understanding that some of our opinions will differ is a given in a discussion.

I say we try to get back on topic.

Releasing the source code, for me, has nothing to do with money. I don't charge for any of my plugins...as a matter of fact, I don't even have a donate button on my webpage. Money, for many of us, is not the issue. And you may be right about running into problems with plugin updates with version 9, but that's all the more reason to have a plugin discussion board. We can share knowledge there and work together.

[jassing]

an opinion was sought out from individuals; and then you yell that we have to join some other group? hahahah! That's rich.

To another point -- if others are in the same boat as I -- then the reason comments are down is because we can't upgrade out projects -- most of my projects have plugins that exist in 7 but not 8; so upgrading them to 8 is useless; and no one is creating new 7 plugins so it pretty much has caused the plugins to come to a grinding halt. i'm giving serious consideration to not using any more plugins because once they come out with 9; we'll be at the same point.

Since 99% of plugins out there are lua based, the simple solution is to release the code; but then you won't get your few bux here & there.

point taken -- create a dozen groups so that anyone looking for a plugin 1st needs to know the gorup exists so they can join it and then find out if a plugin is available.

2nd point taken -- got the msg -- don't provide an opinion unless it agrees with others.

check & check.

[Centauri Soldier]

No, I didn't miss the point. I get what you're saying, Josh and I say leave the Plugin Forum there as a "Completed Plugin Forum" but give us a discussion board ("New Plugins Forum") as our place to posts.

My comment about the group was unrelated to the topic of chaos. I was merely referencing that incident to point out that the new Plugin Forum, designed to make finding plugins easier, has created a problem which detours devs from posting altogether, thus defeating its primary purpose. Granted that finding plugins is much easier when there's only five or six posts.

[Imagine Programming]

Agreed, I have a group. I have all of my available plugins listed and about six or seven posts from users regarding them....that's a significant decrease in feedback compared to our old plugin forum. H3!!, Rizla deleted his group entirely. Tell me how the new plugin forum is helping, in an organized manner, to notify us about his plugins.

Yep, confirmed. so...


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