Rule of AMS

[kingzooly]

I know in the past I played with the idea of a app that create apps like AMS made in AMS I was creating one for disabled/Dyslexic people lost source, life happned and dropped it like I always do lol

But my question creating this kind of tool in AMS would it brake the rules of AMS in anyway?

Also to exe's we have created when there 6 meg and we know there are old resources in there we don't need like icons and bitmaps for windows 2000 lets say are we able to strip these out if we really don't need them and don't want to target them systems?

Reason I ask is the future of AMS is slow but the product is NOT dead and I really don't think it ever will be but the few things I would have to do to make it better I question if I can do it, also let me make this clear this is not a change to the IDE this would be a change to your own work after its been compiled/built.

Also my Bunny Hop app was this braking the rules of IR? the tool is no longer been made but I never got a reply form IR about it and it would of been nice.

I think if IR don't update the user want's and IR are willing to be more relaxed on how paying customers edit there creations like srinking the exe's with givin means then I think we still might have a bright future, I know many of the AMS related posts are dark and or its going to die but its not, its a great tool with tweaks.

Thanks IR if you could help clear some of this up, I also invite other members here to have they say on how they do change the exe's to fit there working needs.

[Shrek]

There is no mention of anything relating to modifying the compiled .exe files in the personal or trial license.

The licenses deal with distribution of compiled .exe files in the absence of a license or for profit with a personal license, I was surprised not to find anything relating to removing the splash screen on the personal edition.

The bulk of the license deals with the compiler itself and the sale and transfer and that is very short.

The license is extremely liberal and does not hold you back from doing anything with your compiled .exe files so long as your not making money with the personal edition or have a valid license.


Personally I strip everything out of the .exe files as there is the most amount of bloat but it all seems to be there for reason as you can via coding add standard objects to the compiled .exe when its running so overall it would be unreasonable for IR to remove the stuff I choose to remove because they cant know what I'm doing.

I've found you can takeaway everything but the main window and dialog window templates along with the debug template but it still leaves you with a 4mb .exe file even on a blank project so I'm wondering what else is there that PE Explorer can't see? Perhaps there is a debugger lurking away that could be removed? The Lua files are outwith the .exe so there has to be something more to the compiled .exe.

[Ulrich]

There is no mention of anything relating to modifying the compiled .exe files in the personal or trial license.

The licenses deal with distribution of compiled .exe files in the absence of a license or for profit with a personal license, I was surprised not to find anything relating to removing the splash screen on the personal edition.

You may want to look closer. The removal of the splash screen is addressed in the license:

5. Restrictions. You may not:
...
(vii) remove or obscure any proprietary rights notices or labels on the Software;
...

Ulrich

[kingzooly]

You may want to look closer. The removal of the splash screen is addressed in the license:

Ulrich

Hey Ulrich his he right tho about the rest of it, are we pretty open to everything we want with the exe and apps we make long as there legal?

And ya Shark I also remember that rule in PE no removing or obsuring I also think it said it in the FAQ/Rules on the old site they had for it.

[Shrek]

You may want to look closer. The removal of the splash screen is addressed in the license:



Ulrich

I did see that but it looks like its referring to the compiler itself since its in the section dealing with the compiler.

[Colin]

Hey Folks,

So, legally speaking, the License Agreement is quite clear:

5. Restrictions. You may not: (i) permit others to use the Software, except as expressly provided above for authorized network use; (ii) modify or translate the Software; (iii) reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except to the extent this restriction is expressly prohibited by applicable law; (iv) create derivative works based on the Software; (v) merge the Software with another product; (vi) copy the Software, except as expressly provided above; or (vii) remove or obscure any proprietary rights notices or labels on the Software.

However, that being said we're also pretty reasonable people over here. When it comes right down to it, nobody is going to get all bent out of shape unless what you're doing with the .exe's reduces our revenue or harms our brand in some way.

Removing the splash screen from the Personal Edition would be an example of harming our brand as well as reducing our revenue. But, I think you know that - it's quite obvious and common sense.

Creating a tool to 'slim down' the size of the generated applications is an example of something that does not harm our brand or reduce our revenue. In fact, it's a good example of something that may actually add value for our users. That's obviously a good thing.

Hope that helps!

[Colin]

One other point of clarification, as it sounds like you may not realize it, but the License Agreement covers all parts of our Software - the IDE, the generated applications, data files, etc etc.

[kingzooly]

One other point of clarification, as it sounds like you may not realize it, but the License Agreement covers all parts of our Software - the IDE, the generated applications, data files, etc etc.

5. Restrictions, This one been part of the generated apps as well would create a few problems if you did have problems with it, as many people use AMS apps part of another software tool or a UI for a CL tool.

Create derivative works based on the Software, this one is what I kind of wanted to know about all my snipt apps or run from single exe apps in the past had means for the user to create there scripts/applets/tools and it would make a little tool with my custom fucntions and so on but from this it sounds like I would be braking IR's rules there, part from that one yes it's very clean.

Thanks Colin its been along time since we seen you around and that really did help, also nice to know I can finally look in to my slimming down ideas