throw out your TVs guys ... bedlam is on the way

[Cybergraph]

In respect to mystica's request and to the interest of the argument, even if I don't agree with the content of the discussion, to avoid any problem with the forum rules, I will no post any comment.

[mystica]

Any comment on my post regarding the topic of the thread ...

Yes, there's a growing body of people starting to wake up to what's really going on. These amoral bastards have infiltrated every aspect of society at an institutional level. My worry however, is that it's now a race against time to put an end to all this nonsense. I fear that by the time the majority catch on, it's going to be too late. It's like the rise of the National-Socialist state in 1934 pre-war Germany all over again ... talk about Groundhog Day! All the signs are there, except this time it's happening on a global scale. Read your modern-history textbooks and check for yourself!

So yes, many are starting to wake up as the evidence becomes more obvious, but the alarm-bell has been ringing for some time now and there are still so many who continue to sleep, unable to see the signs hiding in plain-view all around them. That's the insidious thing about all of this! The globalists rub this garbage in the face of everyone, leaving their marks/symbols right in front of everyone's eyes, but it's all camouflaged in plain-view so that those still sleeping just can't see it. The mainstream-media is one of their biggest weapons ... so STOP getting your news from the TV and commercial radio, guys! Use the internet instead, and go to independent news-sources which aren't pandering to multi-national corporate interests. Use the mainstream-media for comparative purposes only ... see for yourself what they're NOT telling you.

As for those denying all this is happening, all I can say is, just beware of the "normalcy-bias" kicking in. We're so used to chronic economic-severity happening only in 3rd world countries that we convince ourselves it could never happen on our home turf. But if the globalist agenda pushes forward as planned, make no mistake, it WILL! We're cattle to these people.

So for those still sleeping, stay tuned and prepare for the proverbial boot in the face. The NWO globalist agenda in all its lovely glory, is coming to a town near you!

Cheers, m'dears!

[mystica]

Update:

Here you go, guys.
Headline from today's news:
Oil, Gold, and Silver Prices Up as Saudi Arabia Faces Unrest
http://www.infowars.com/oil-gold-and...-faces-unrest/
Hate to say I told you so. (Actually, I love to say it ).

Seems today's slowdown on soaring commodities prices was caused by rumours of Gaddafi trying to save his skin, via an early exit from Libya:
Oil And Gold Slip On Rumors Gaddafi Set To Flee
http://www.infowars.com/oil-and-gold...i-set-to-flee/

Still awaiting market results re. the Saudi Day of Rage.
The next few days should be interesting indeed.

[Tone]

Love your passion mate and the way you articulate your points but don't forget we are what we eat, and if you eat too much of this shite it can make Jack a Dull Boy. You're not dull to me of course, i'm only saying that because i'm worried it can cause a short term depression especially if we think there's no hope, or as you've expressed, we're "running out of time".
I don't believe we are running out of time, and i think their is plenty of hope. I honestly don't believe there's anything to worry about on that score, they've blown it. They should have forseen the power of the internet, and now it's too late for them. Too many people know what's going on now, too many for them. I know for a fact it's gonna be ok.
They'll have to be invited in as part of the solution of course. (ermm, those that we haven't jailed)

Did you know the first engine invented by Mr Diesel ran on bio fuel? We don't even need crude oil to run our power turbines or cars. Diesel's engine ran on peanut oil, but the NWO converted it because farmers could produce the oil in large quantities, so by converting the engines to run on gas and petrol they made sure we had to buy their "fuel" from them. Not as easy drilling a farmers field for oil as it is growing sunflower seeds, but we don't need to anyway - that's another con you see.

I think JP Morgan owns the biggest silver residuee in the US, and the fluctuating prices of these commodities well, it means nothing to me, it's not even real. Like the reserves of gold bullion they can bring into the market to decrease the value, therefore getting people to "sell" then buying the shares at a low price, they do the same with oil, food, coffee&cocoa, silver gold and everything else as you say. Again they're just moving water to make waves.

Our day is coming. Egypt gave me so much hope. I truly am hopeful.
After all what can they really do to us now?
Did you notice how quiet they went when Gaddafi first started killing the protesters? They knew they would get accused of sniffing his oil reserves, so they waited for a public outcry, but it wasn't there, because although in our hearts we wanted to help the people we didn't want the people in charge to lead the way - so that's a significant sign in both directions. Not just because of what happened in Tunisia and Egypt, but they knew they were being watched very very closely.

This is rip off britain i live in, next month my car insurance is due. I'm not paying it and this is my beginning ... where it will end i have no idea, but i'm carrying around a lot of anger for what those bastards have done. especially killing all of those children in Iraq.

[mystica]

... if you eat too much of this shite it can make Jack a Dull Boy. You're not dull to me of course, i'm only saying that because i'm worried it can cause a short term depression especially ...

Exposing the truth is never dull, at least not to me. And as for depression, are you kidding? These are exciting times we're living in, man. We are at this very moment, watching history unfold and a different world in the making. The 'sleepers' out there just don't get how serious this powder-keg really is. And as for becoming a "dull boy", I couldn't care less what others think of me.

Y'know, I was downtown a few hours ago, sitting outside a cafe eating my lunch, and just watching the throngs of people go by. And it struck me how absurd it all was, that so many of these people seemed so totally oblivious to what's happening at the moment. Everyone just walking on by, with no idea what's barrelling down on them ... automatons in a total daze. Can't really blame 'em, though. They probably all watch 60 Minutes on Fox & CNN and figure themselves 'informed'. XD, makes me laugh.

They should have forseen the power of the internet, and now it's too late for them.

Yeah, maybe? Don't forget though, they've got their figurative finger over the internet kill-switch and can flick it any time it's to their advantage. Just to what degree they can actually pull off a total internet shutdown remains to be seen though ... it's never been done before and I'm not convinced it's even possible. Nevertheless, heavy internet censorship/filtering is in operation in quite a few countries, already.

Google too, wield a very big stick and worse still, are aligned with these bastards. CIA/NSA front? LOL, don't get me started! Algorithms have already been executed by Google to block a number of alternate-news sites from obvious keyword-searches, and Infowars.com is one of the sites that's been hit. Several months ago, if you typed alternate+news+media into Google, both Infowars and PrisonPlanet were in the top 5 listings. But now, you have to know what to enter to get a listing on them. And this is despite the fact that (according to Alexa results) both of these sites are getting more traffic than ever. LOL, you know an alternate-news source is worthy of reading when Google has blocked it from multiple keyword-searches. The Whitehouse even went so far as to publish a poison-pen article on these sites. XD, they're so predictable!

I think JP Morgan owns the biggest silver residuee in the US ... the reserves of gold bullion they can bring into the market to decrease the value ... they're just moving water to make waves.

Yes okay, this is true. JP Morgan, HSBC and their globalist cronies can flood the market with silver to sink the price at any time, but you seem to be forgetting two crucial points. One; the US Dollar is the world's reserve-currency, so if these guys collapse the dollar (as I believe they will), all the world's major paper currencies will be rendered completely worthless. Precious metal will still have value though, because it's a physical commodity and there's a finite supply of it. And two; despite how much they deliberately try to sink the price of precious metals, silver will retain an applied-value (don't forget it has high value for its use in industrial applications as well as its intrinsic-value) and will be one of the few resources you'll still be able to buy food & other basic necessities with. I heard earlier today, that some investors are speculating silver to hit $50/oz ... which is just mind-numbing. Regardless though, the price of precious metals remains a very good indicator of what these crooks are up to, and when.

LOL, check this out. I just noticed this old news-article from the UK Guardian, on how to bankrupt JP Morgan.
What a *****up! XD.
Want JP Morgan to crash? Buy silver

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/02/jp-morgan-silver-short-selling-crash

[RizlaUK]

I'm not paying it and this is my beginning ... where it will end i have no idea

12 months inside and a huge fine i would hope, got to have insurance man!

Yeah, maybe? Don't forget though, they've got their figurative finger over the internet kill-switch and can flick it any time it's to their advantage. Just to what degree they can actually pull off a total internet shutdown remains to be seen though ... it's never been done before and I'm not convinced it's even possible. Nevertheless, heavy internet censorship/filtering is in operation in quite a few countries, already.

Actully, a while back there was this little war game involving the internet that was setup by various government's and worldwide organizations, and what would happen if "terrorists" tried to disable the net and how the powers that be would respond, now come to think of it, was that a smoke screen for them actually trying to take control, figure out how to shutdown all mainstream servers in the event of a uprising in the USA or Europe, as they so boldly state, the so called terrorists use the net for almost all there communication and recruitment, why on earth would they try and shut it down, cant believe i was duped on that one, they already have the power to shut us up, we bloody gave it to them!

[Tone]

Exactly mate, this is what they do. Also known as short selling i think utilised the most by Joe Kennedy in the late 20's and thereafter.
So, after reading that very interesting article, i've learned that JP Morgan doesn't actually own the silver, he's got it on a short position. Where the short seller borrows shares and immediately sells them. He then waits, hoping for the stock price to decrease, when the seller can profit by purchasing the shares to return to the lender. And as your article says the banks have overreached their remit of providing loans and have leeched into the political system, using our money to change the political agenda in ways that boost bank management's compensation over the interests of their depositors. The world is run not by politicians but by businessmen and the people need to realise that. They're not going to continue to get away with it, they're bloody fools.

I study religions you know, not religious myself but i love all of the books and know many different people from different faiths. one group are the Messianic Jews, who believe Jesus WAS the Messiah referred to in the Old Testament, and these very lovely people are already buying silver as if it's going out of fashion for two reasons. One is the hope of crippling Morgan and the second reason they're going to start their own currency and pull out of society. They hate the NWO and the likes of Morgan.
So as you say this is very interesting, and true we are living in very historic times.

Thanks for that article. Good ol Grauniad, direct as ever. I now understand the whole picture and i'll be telling my Izlamic friends about this lol.
Maybe it'll be another factor which will bring about their unification, as well as ours worldover.

[Tone]

12 months inside and a huge fine i would hope, got to have insurance man!

True, i agree with you in principle but if it's law to have car insurance the govt should provide it on a non profit basis. Private companies should not own statutory positions and be in charge of things like insurance where it's backed by law. My insurance went up nearly £200 last year. I'm not paying it, and i don't care what anyone thinks. And if anyone tries to pull rank over the "moral issue" of what would happen if i killed someone. I'll tell them why i did it.

Bloody Rip Off Britain!

[RizlaUK]

I tell you something, if you ran over my child, and then i was told that id not be getting any help with the funeral costs because the driver was not insured, you would not need to worry about the NWO, JP Morgan or anything else for that matter coz id be coming for your juggler!, an eye for an eye and all that!

Seriously, how can you judge the criminal acts of a businessmen when you vow to commit such criminal acts yourself, i agree with what you say but the fact is, just like the council tax, road tax, fuel tax and income tax, its there to be paid and paying it gives you the right to be unhappy with the way things are, people that sit on the dole and drive uninsured cars have no right to even complain about such things, how can you hold your head high and aspire to be part of the solution when its so painfully obvious your part of the problem

its also law to not stab or shoot someone, are we all going to shank the man next to us just to stick 2 fingers up at the government!, i think not, just pay the bloody insurance man and give yourself the right to complain!

[Tone]

The "right to complain" - what on earth does that mean?

This is the fundamental point, it's about our rights. Just because a person doesn't conform, it doesn't take away their rights as a human being. I'm not letting these bastards rip me off anymore mate, i've had enough. There's no justice in what they do. The only reason it's legal is because they've ringfenced the law for the past 200 years. In a fair world this wouldn't be illegal. It's immoral what they are doing - i'm well within my rights from every point of view. I've even got God on my side.

When a discussion like this opens up it's obvious there are many different perspectives. I know them all. I'm not saying these things blindly. I'm not stupid. I'm sticking my neck out because i'm not afraid of what people think of me and most importantly i really believe THIS perspective. I don't need to say these things, i'm not short of friends or have anything to prove. So don't feel you have to point things out to me and tell me something i don't know or how wrong i am. I'll do what i want, don't argue with me. It's got nothing to do with you If you want to comment talk about yourself and what you think, i won't put you down. I'll enjoy reading your perspective on things and try not to be judgemental. Remember, we're all different and i'm entitled to be me, i don't give a chit what anyone else thinks. and have another read of your first paragraph, i'm sure you don't like acting like a hard man but it's a kinda back handed threat, and trust me i don't lose fights either
So please think about what you are saying, and tell me more about YOU

I don't mean any offence at all.

[RizlaUK]

The Right To Complain

well, its exactly what it says on the tin, you want rights, you have to earn them, the thing is, when someone who has no right to complain starts complaining, no-one listens, but earn that right and you shall have a audience!

And WT, God, you mean the Sun, right ?

iv got no time for plagiarist cults or anyone that follows them, i wont say what i think about people that worship and devote there lives to the biggest lie in human history because it will offend, but people, your God does not exist, you have been feed a pack of lies, educate yourself, free your mind!

i'm sure you don't like acting like a hard man but it's a kinda back handed threat, and trust me i don't lose fights either

Reading it back i see your point, but rest assured it was no threat, i dont make threats, just promises!

Ok, Ok, stop with the rotten veg, it was a bloody joke

and who said anything about losing, man, let me tell you something, the people that think they will never lose always underestimate some dude with a killer uppercut.... I know, coz i did!

Tell YOU about ME, Ha, Tone, i dont think i need to, i grew up on the White City estate, spent most of my time hanging out at either West Ken, City or South Action, you know exactly what kind of little toe-rag i used to be, sure you see them everyday of your life

I grew up, job, house, kids and all the rest, the real sad thing is, some of my old buddies are still doing the same old crap, day in, day out, livin the life (the life no-one wants!)

And your right, you can air any opinion you like and expect not to be judged, but expressing an opinion and declaring you are going to break the law are 2 completely different things

Dont get me wrong here Tone, the insurance on my van kills me, i have to pay extra coz its a commercial vehicle, plus Public Liability in case Jo Public cuts his finger off while stealing my tools!!, i hate paying it and often ask myself if i should, but i do, why, well maybe im a sucker, or maybe i dont want to be a hypocrite!, the way i see it, the 2.5k i spend a year on insurance gives me the right to complain about people that drive while uninsured!

[mystica]

Ouch, ouch, ouch. Any chance of steering this thread away from the personal disputes and back more to the original issue, guys? Pretty please? Me doth fears IR will pull the whole thread, otherwise. And I'd really like for one of my threads to actually survive the chopping block this time round. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking everyone to be in agreement with each other, just to leave the personal stuff alone so the thread has a chance at some longevity.

So, getting back more or less to the original issue, I see the market is still at parity this morning: http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/
Hmmm, does this mean both myself and the alternate-news sources from which I'm deriving my opinions have got it all wrong? Or is this just the calm before the storm? Time shall tell, yeh?

I noticed the latest hubbub regarding the Saudi Day of Rage. Originally planned for Friday 11th, it was brought forward to Monday 7th, only to be delayed again for Friday 11th. Saudi authorities have started blocking internet-access to make it difficult for protestors to get their demo organised via social-networking sites. Maybe this is partially effecting the market parity that I'm seeing this morning? Anyone else found out more about the Saudi Day of Rage, yet? Last I heard, it was re-scheduled back to this Friday 11th with a follow-up march planned for Sunday 20th.
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NB.

In respect to mystica's request and to the interest of the argument, even if I don't agree with the content of the discussion, to avoid any problem with the forum rules, I will no post any comment.

Cyber, regarding what you said here, I hope you'll still post your opinions on this topic, man. I wasn't asking that you necessarily agree, but just for the personal stuff to be left aside, so the thread doesn't get pulled. I do welcome everyone's viewpoint/argument because I think this is a very important issue. Please rejoin the debate if you wish to, yeh?

[Tone]

OK Riz, i appreciate your reply. I think also looking back i was a bit over the top myself, specially seeing's that you've been so forgiving in your reply.

I also appreciate the other points you mentioned and i love all the different ways people think, it amazes me.

I won't go any further into my non "religious" leanings, i'm kinda getting away with murder at the moment, so i'll leave it there.
The more i talk to you mate, the more i like you. I was wrong for saying that heavy crap earlier, i was well over the top. And i was a bit worried you were gonna come back and hammer me to be honest, but you didn't. You've swung it round and turned us both into gentlemen, and i very very much appreciate that mate.
You're a good egg Riz in many many ways - thank you :yes

[Tone]

mystica shut yer face

[Tone]

@ cyber, i too would like to hear how you think and maybe how you think or believe i am wrong, i mean i could be. it does sound ridiculous and unbelievable. Even a couple of lines, not to tell me what an idiot i am but to tell me there's no way they would do these things, and maybe one or two reasons why.
There's an art to conversation, and for me it takes a brave person to offer their opinion out in the wild like this. I want to know how you all disagree, there's nothing more interesting to me than to listen to how another person thinks, especially if it's opposite to the way i do, and even MORE especially if we can be excellent to each other in expressing these opinions.